Thursday, January 5, 2012

From "Talking With The Spirits" - Dialogue, Disagreement and Proselytizing


It is foolish, generally speaking, for a philosopher to set fire to another philosopher in Smithfield Market because they do not agree in their theory of the universe. That was done very frequently in the last decadence of the Middle Ages, and it failed altogether in its object. But there is one thing that is infinitely more absurd and unpractical than burning a man for his philosophy. This is the habit of saying that his philosophy does not matter, and this is done universally in the twentieth century, in the decadence of the great revolutionary period. … A man’s opinion on tram cars matters; his opinion on Botticelli matters; his opinion on all things does not matter. He may turn over and explore a million objects, but he must not find that strange object, the universe; for if he does he will have a religion, and be lost. Everything matters — except everything. Gilbert K. Chesterton
Many who have come to their new spiritual path from Christianity – and Neopaganism is by and large a religion of converts – have a great distaste for anything which smacks of proselytizing. To them, saying "I am right and you are wrong" is akin to proclaiming "If you don't repent you're going to burn in hell." Those who disagree with someone else's spiritual beliefs, or even ask too many uncomfortable questions, are scorned as intolerant "fundies." "Acceptance of opinions" and "tolerance of diversity" are all-important, even if couched in smug, condescending passive-aggression. Discussion is reduced to bland platitudes about how we are all special snowflakes and everything we say and believe should be cherished as valuable. Instead of honest and critical discussion we get pats on the head and gold stars for our effort.

Discussion involves an exchange of ideas and discourse about their ramifications. It may get intense, even heated at times, but this is fine so long as everyone remains respectful and the questions focus on ideas rather than individuals. Smiling, nodding and saying "everyone's truths are true for them and every belief is just as good as every other belief" is not interfaith discussion. Rather, it is a way of avoiding questions about the substance and foundation of your beliefs and about the level of your commitment. Instead of sparking conversation, it shuts it down or reduces it to polite superficialities.

Disagreement need not involve proselytizing. It may actually be a good way of establishing boundaries and setting forth the differences between your respective beliefs. No Orthodox rabbi will accept that G-d has a son or that the Q'uran is an improved version of the Torah. That doesn't mean that he cannot have cordial relations with local Christian or Muslim leaders, or that they cannot engage in honest and sincere dialogue about each other's beliefs. They might wish to understand each other so they could help defuse difficulties between their congregations. They might check in when they've heard some inflammatory "fact" on the Internet ("So could you explain 'jihad' for me, Iman? Then maybe I can shut this putz up once and for all.") Or they might just be curious: if you're spiritually inclined enough to become a professional clergyman, chances are you're interested in talking shop with others in the industry.

This kind of discourse has been going on between representatives of mainstream religious denominations for centuries. They are not afraid to ask each other tough questions, nor do they expect their colleagues to agree with them on every theological point. They are quite capable of engaging in dialogue without the specter of conversion raising its ugly head: they can find value in other religions without feeling the need to become adherents, and can recognize that value without denigrating their own faith. There are certainly groups within these faiths that are skeptical of and even openly hostile to ecumenical efforts. But as their communities and neighborhoods grow more diverse, they have become increasingly marginalized.

At a cursory glance Neo-paganism would appear considerably more tolerant than many of these traditions. Yet a look at the demographics of American Neo-paganism suggest we may have a long way to go. As a movement, American Neo-paganism remains overwhelmingly white, college-educated, middle-class and politically liberal. There is less political, economic and ethnic diversity at an average Pagan gathering than at a typical mosque. All too often "tolerance" has been extended only to people who do not challenge preconceptions, make waves in the community, or insist on "playing the race card" by pointing out uncomfortable facts. If we are going to engage with gnosis in our greater community, we will need to learn how to deal with theological differences. We are going to have to move beyond tolerance into inclusion. Instead of the bland sameness of a "melting pot" where all beliefs are boiled down into an inoffensive mush, we are going to have to recognize the value of diversity and difference. And if we are going to learn how to deal with the beliefs of others, we must first figure out for ourselves just what it is that we believe.

5 comments:

Scylla said...

This one chaps my ass. Not only is there a culture of shutting down discussion, but woe is the supper of anyone who calls it for what it is.

I pride myself on being willing and able to answer tough questions - and my only mistake in that is assuming that when folks have asked, they're now participating in that system of ask-and-answer.

E C Ballard ஃ said...

I once had a student in one of my classes who happened to be a very likeable fellow. He was older than the majority of my students, and since he often spoke up in class on various topics we engaged in friendly, if sometimes heated debate.

At the end of the semester, I asked, as was my habit, for feedback about the class from my students. This gentleman spoke up and remarked, somewhat more emotionally than he had spoken all term, that while I always stated that I respect the opinions of others, and we all should, that he felt forcefully that I did not respect his opinions.

In reply I noted that what I most often said was one must respect informed personal opinions. I then went on to note that he had offered neither of those all semester. His remarks, I explained did not represent informed opinion, because they were not based upon research or knowledge of the subject, and that ultimately, none of them were his. They had all been borrowed from the mass media. I used this as a teaching moment to explain that to own an opinion, you must be informed about the subject and have taken the time to clarify your own understandings and views.

Almost nobody today seems capable of doing that.

Astrophel said...

You nailed it with the "passive-agressive acceptance" bit.

Imagine my surprise when I was told by the tarot reader at the local occult store that what I was doing wasn't wrong, but it was "unbalanced", and maybe I should try working with some angels sometime. I respectfully declined (since I assumed she meant well) and got yelled at.

Followed by having the owners try to give me some things along those lines. Yeah, give...for free, so I couldn't say no. I still said no.

I told the tarot reader I felt she had good intentions but that I found it very offensive, and if she kept it up I would leave and never speak to her again. Wasn't long before she did and I made good on my promise. And while I don't obsess over it because it was a long time ago, I won't refrain from shit-talking San Francisco's The Sword and Rose whenever relevant.

Raven said...

Is the US neopagan community "majority white"? Okay, but....

When Asian-Americans go back to family-traditional or cultural-traditional religion (which they needn't newly invent), it is not called "neopagan," by definition, so very neatly they don't count in these stats, right?

Native Americans likewise, not surprisingly, and African-Americans (who have a very large devoted Christian community), well, not as many of them proportionately as whites got swept off their feet by the "Ancestral European Folk Religions" like Wicca and Asatru for Some Strange Unguessable Reason™ — though in our local neopagan community one leader has a Black mother, a Menominee father (former tribal council member), and shaman training,... and both he and his white Wiccan wife volunteer as Catholic Social Workers[!] at a local church's soup kitchen and homeless/women's shelters.

And of course the African Diaspora religions which have spread up and down not only the Caribbean but both South and North America... are not counted as "neopagan" either, are they? So again these semantic stats leave whites in the "neopagan majority" -- but this doesn't reflect the racial and religious diversity that's actually out there.

Meanwhile, the respected head of the locally influential "Lady of the Lakes" Temple is Hispanic -- and isn't that cultural stereotype supposed to be universally Catholic?

The "Pagan Town Hall" meetings held at festivals assuredly have regular outspoken attendees who are all of the above as well as white/Anglo.

Tomorrow afternoon there's an Open House at our local mid-town chapter of a Pan-African / Afrocentric religious group called the Ausar Auset Society. I don't know what's closer to you -- but the headquarters are in Brooklyn, and the New Jersey chapter website (though not recently updated) has the founder Ra Un Nefer Amen giving some "blog radio" talks on "Words of Power" and "Celebrating the Midwinter Solstice." Enjoy.

Also on the List of (Modern) Pagans: Alice Walker, author of The Color Purple, though apparently not for being a Wiccan. [shrug]

Ve can't all be ze Gardnerians in zis Psychic Fair....

Raven said...

Oh, and while we're on semantics, those "Northern European derived" groups who prefer to be called "Heathen" instead -- because that word comes from the hardy northern languages while "Pagan" comes from the decadent south, y'know -- shouldn't they be subtracted from your "overwhelmingly white" "demographics of American Neo-paganism" on the grounds of ... I believe the utterly appropriate word here is "secession"?

Differences certainly abound, they're not all "college-educated, middle-class and politically liberal" -- I've met many no-college, metal-working, and variously conservative. (The degree of rightwingedness seems to vary pretty closely with the Volkish/Folkishness of the faction.)

But this may be because much personal recruitment followed "heartland" working-class and good-old-boy acquaintance/friendship lines and repeated contacts at jobs, bars, biker clubs, and prisons -- not, say, university classes, books, and lectures by visiting intellectuals.

The social dynamic is different because the setting (South, Midwest, Mountains/Plains) and the pool being drawn from is different from the urban/yuppie East and West Coast.

And, yes, you could listen to them debate racialism with each other. It has been a hot issue, though by now it's an old enough issue that groups have actually split up and gone their own ways over it.

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